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Truth
post Oct 21 2008, 13:37
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This seems like a very basic question but could someone explain to me the exact difference between a limit- and a stop-order because on the software i use (ACM trading console) it doesn't really seem to make a difference which one i use.

and then i was wondering which type of order you use to put a stop-loss or n OCO order?
Arnaud
post Oct 21 2008, 13:56
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a limit order is used to start a trade if the price hits a fixed level
a stop order is used to close a trade if the price hits a fixed level
Truth
post Oct 22 2008, 10:27
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so does that mean, when placing a limit order (sell) for, say, EURUSD at 1,3310, and the price reaches 1,3340 that the trade isn't executed until 1,3340 is reached, i.e. that the order waits until the highest point is reached as long as it is above the set limit?

This post has been edited by Truth: Oct 22 2008, 10:31
ryker
post Oct 22 2008, 18:38
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QUOTE (Arnaud Jeulin @ Oct 21 2008, 13:56) *
a limit order is used to start a trade if the price hits a fixed level
a stop order is used to close a trade if the price hits a fixed level


That's not really correct.

A limit order is an order to buy (or sell) at a specific price, but the price has to be lower (higher) or equal to the limit price.

A stop order is an to buy (or sell) at a specific price, here the price has to be higher (lower) than the stop price. Once the stop price is reached the order becomes a market order.

That's one of the reason brokers won't guarantee the price on a stop order.
Arnaud
post Oct 22 2008, 19:34
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you are right ryker.
Mockingbird
post Nov 24 2008, 14:49
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The STOP and LIMIT orders have different purposes.
STOP is to do with LOSSES and LIMIT is to do with PROFITS.



The STOP order is set if your trade goes against you and you are making a loss. In this case you need to allow only a certain amount of loss, otherwise it could be huge.
So you need to put a "stop loss" order in, or, in short, this is called a STOP order. With a STOP order, you are resigned to your loss but you have put a very wise halt to it.

With a STOP order you can decide beforehand how much you are prepared to lose, should the trade go against you. Just set the STOP at the required level.




Now the LIMIT order is something quite different. The word "limit" can be deceiving here. It basically means "at this price only and no other price"

The LIMIT order can be used to enter trades - You set the entry price and the trade is entered at this price only and no other price.
The LIMIT order can be used to exit trades when a profit is made (yay!). You decide your profit and set your price to exit the trade. The trade is closed at the this price only and no other price.

With a LIMIT order you can decide beforehand how much you want to gain assuming the trade goes well. Just set the LIMIT at the required level.

hadencole
post Dec 5 2008, 11:41
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There are SELL stop orders and stop limit orders, and there are BUY limit orders. (There are also a multitude of other types of orders, like trailing stops, conditional order, one cancels the other (OCO), one triggers the other (OTO)), but for simplicity we'll just stick to the above.

If you set a SELL stop limit order at $10, then you're saying that if the stock drops below $10, then sell (but I want to get at least $10). If the stock gaps down, you may not be able to sell, if it falls thru your limit order of 10.

This post has been edited by hadencole: Dec 25 2008, 16:43
vanes7
post Dec 5 2008, 17:02
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I think the best way to understand stop and limit orders is trading. Have you tried some platforms? I started some weeks ago and got a nice platform. That is why now I know how to take advantage of these orders
If you need some advice about it, I’ll help you as much as I can mataf_wink.gif

Vanes
Dracula
post Dec 16 2008, 4:33
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QUOTE (Mockingbird @ Nov 24 2008, 14:49) *
STOP is to do with LOSSES


No, while it's true that you can use a stop to close a losing trade, you can also use a stop to initiate a new trade.

QUOTE (Mockingbird @ Nov 24 2008, 14:49) *
and LIMIT is to do with PROFITS

No, you can also use a limit order to open a new trade


QUOTE (Mockingbird @ Nov 24 2008, 14:49) *
Now the LIMIT order is something quite different. The word "limit" can be deceiving here. It basically means "at this price only and no other price"


No, a limit means "I want that price ... OR BETTER!"

If you get a better price that's called a positive slippage. But few brokers will fill you at a better price, normally, because they are always playing games with us.

felipeca25
post Dec 16 2008, 21:53
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I think after many posts I got confuse, but I will learn from the last 3. Vanes7 what do you mean with you can help? What advantages or strategies or tips or whatever. Share them with us!
andrufx
post Dec 17 2008, 18:26
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QUOTE (felipeca25 @ Dec 16 2008, 13:53) *
I think after many posts I got confuse, but I will learn from the last 3. Vanes7 what do you mean with you can help? What advantages or strategies or tips or whatever. Share them with us!


there are lots of concepts here but it is not that bad. At least, they are all related and I agree about Vanes said. Go into the platform, check how does it work. you’ll familiarize every concept understanding how they support you in this market. make new orders, selling or buying. You have options in order to decide how much are you disposed to lose, also to win. I got involved using from Tradeviewforex but usually I check more brokers to compare benefits. Fortunately, I’ve never had to change. Andru
duvuacris
post Dec 20 2008, 22:10
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This is really a discussion, I think I got lose in the middle of your conversation, but I think now I can understand the difference between limit and SL.
Dracula
post Dec 21 2008, 0:40
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QUOTE (Truth @ Oct 22 2008, 10:27) *
so does that mean, when placing a limit order (sell) for, say, EURUSD at 1,3310, and the price reaches 1,3340 that the trade isn't executed until 1,3340 is reached, i.e. that the order waits until the highest point is reached as long as it is above the set limit?


This scenario is rare but some traders still use it.

In your example EUR/USD is at $1.3310 and you put a sell limit order at $1.3340. That means you have already made a profit on your trade and you only want to protect your profits. When the EUR/USD reaches $1.3340 your sell limit order is triggered and one of those 2 things could happen :

If EUR/USD reaches $1.3340 and stays there for, let's say, 30 seconds then you get that price and your trade is closed.

If EUR/USD reaches $1.3340 for a fraction of a second and then immediately goes up 20 pips and stays there, now you are getting a much BETTER price ($1.3360 instead of $1.3340). This is called a positive slippage, a slippage in your favor.

You see, a LIMIT order means :"Give me THAT price or a better price, but I want AT LEAST that price".

On the other hand, a STOP order is simply executed AT THE MARKET. That means you COULD get exactly your price...or worse!

If the Euro is at $1.2000 and your stop order is at $1.1980 (20 pips below) and the euro gaps down 200 pips, you stop could be filled at $1.1800, unfortunately. That's the problem with stop orders.

The only problem with LIMIT orders is that in a fast moving market your order could never be executed.

This post has been edited by Dracula: Dec 21 2008, 0:48
Janethjack
post Dec 23 2008, 19:01
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after tendencies seen in last week I’m opening orders without this tools. Sometimes I set a SL but high fluctuations in some currencies, especially in EURUSD need from traders some tolerance. If we close orders once we start losing, we may really lose, we need just take a while and pairs start change their way. Janeth
adrian76
post Dec 29 2008, 21:34
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it is also important to keep in mind that you can modify whenever you want the limits you’ve fixed. Even if you didn’t fix one, you can make a new decision fixing both, even one of them. It may help your results! Adrian
andrufx
post Jan 5 2009, 16:29
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QUOTE (Dracula @ Dec 20 2008, 16:40) *
The only problem with LIMIT orders is that in a fast moving market your order could never be executed.


when you say “Limit” it means the same that in my platform I find “Stop Loss” ? I’ve tried some times on my demo and even in a fast moving market it always work. If it doesn’t, I could really lose! Andru
Janethjack
post Jan 14 2009, 21:08
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which platform are you trading on ? hey andru, you should try it out on a live account to test how it works. Sometimes there are differences and you need to keep it in mind before starting with a live account and choosing a broker
clark
post Jan 14 2009, 23:26
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I know what you mean, it`s confusing in the beginning but there are clear at the end.

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